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venture160 -

I walked up to several vendors, and they started at 2,900 to 3,000. I talked to two vendors who
did not currently have a treo, but they said right now they are selling for 2,200, but the lowest
price I was qouted for was 2,600, this could be due to the fact I am an LaoWai. The 650 is not by
any means a new phone, so I am not surprised by these prices.

Also, these were all 水货 as not many are "officialy sold" in China, and the Chinese version was
already installed on them, yes that means it was opened, but the boxes were in pristine condition
and so was the phone.



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gato -

A guide to buying these water-logged cell phones. Plus a news item about the relevant departments'
determined effort to dry up the market, again.

http://www.xici.net/b616302/d36438198.htm
水货手机挑选大法
事实是，水货并非假货，只是没有得到中国政府相关部门认定准许在大陆销�
��的机器。同样的道理，我们的行货机器拿到香港甚至欧美去销售，在当地��
�府眼里，那也叫水货。所以，当大家发现国产品牌居然也有水货的时候请不
要吃惊，那些机器是保税区生产必须反销国外的，但通过了某种手段偷逃税�
��变成了本地消化。由此，水货里也有了康佳，托普等等品牌。

http://tech.163.com/05/1103/03/21JR8HEE00091KT0.html
各部委联手打击水货手机 水货手机末日即将来临
一位国产手机厂家高层表示，由于中国加入WTO的5年过渡期是到明年底，而手
机产业作为其中一个被保护的产业，目前正面临前所未有的困难，几大国产�
��机厂家集体连续报亏，市场份额持续下滑，根本无法对抗洋品牌。政府原��
�通过手机牌照核准制为手机行业注入新鲜血液，但基于市场竞争压力，大部
分国产手机新军都裹足不前。他认为，由于国产手机厂家不约而同将失利的�
��头指向“黑手机”，作为相关管理部门不可能熟视无睹，必然会花大力气��
�肃清市场。

相反，水货手机主要源头是走私。广东省政府副秘书长、省打私办主任罗欧�
��出，水货手机团伙化走私趋势明显加剧，走私分子采取“购、运、储、销��
�一条龙的走私链条，整体运作，各个环节分工明确，组织严密，反侦查、隐
秘性大大增加。此外，“水客”走私也相当严重，在深圳沙头角，罗湖口岸�
��水客”走私已趋向职业化，正在形成“看水”、阻碍缉私、冲关的走私链��
�。










venture160 -

when I was in Harbin there was a 水货 market for cellphones, a huge place where brand new Nokia
n70's could be had for 2,200 and razrs for 600 rmb.

I also know of a dealer whom can get me 水货 ibooks from Japan for 600rmb a pop. not kidding,
they were second-hand though, but had been refrubished. New ibooks could be had for 1,000 rmb.










Prodigal Son -

what's a 水货 market? are we talking stolen goods or something?










peterou -

Venture160,

Did you ever end up buying the 水货 Treo 650 in ZhongGuancun. I also live in Beijing (currently
in the USA for the month) and am contemplating whether I should buy from Ebay while I'm here as
shipping charges are cheaper or go back to Beijing and buy it in ZhongGuanCun. Not sure what the
prices are now but in terms of prices, but if they really are as low as 2300 - 3000 rmb, which
seems to be a bit better pricing than Ebay and assumedly includes the Chinese software of CJKOS,
that may be just easier to deal with but I'm just concerned if for sure this 水货 version
functions as well as the real version. From what I understand the only difference is the 1) the
logo, 2) the warranty.

If you already bought the Treo 650, have you had any problems with yours? just want to make sure I
can use my M-Zone SIM card and also send SMS using pinyin to write and receive Chinese characters.
Also, wanted to see if I can surf the web somehow and check email. Lastly, was hoping I can also
use the phone when I also visit the USA or HK by just replacing with the respective SIM card.
Please let me know what you ended up doing and if it's working as smoothly as hoped. Also, can you
let me know what you ended up paying and where? I want to decide whether it's best to take
advantage of my time now in the US and just buy on ebay or just wait when I'm in beijing again.

Thanks alot!!
-peter










gato -

水货 here refers to cell phones that are smuggled into China without paying the import duties,
which are very high to protect domestic manufacturers. It's called "water product" probably
because one way of smuggling is by boat.










gato -

By the way, if you do get the TREO in China, its builtin CJKOS only allows one-character entry and
not by phrases because it doesn't have the phrase book installed.

You need to download CJKOS v4.621 here and add it yourself. Read the readme file of CJKOS for more
info.
http://www.dyts.com/en/index.html

To get phrase association working, you need to install PhrGBF.PDB, and then turn on Association
and Reverse Association in the preferences menu.

Phrase databases
Phrase\*.*
PhrGBF.PDB Simplified Chinese phrase Database, 44374 phrases.

The builtin Chinese font on the TREO 650 is also low-res. You can try installing one of these
files in the FONT directory, for example, FGB12F.PDB.

Font Database
FONT\*.*
Naming system is:FCPSIX.PDB
CP CharSet, GB(Simplified Chinese GB2312), GBK(Chinese GBK), B5(Traditional Chinese BIG5),
JIS(Japanese EUC-JIS and Shift-JIS), KSC(Korean KSC-5601)
SI FontSize, 12(12X12 Font) or 10(10X10 small font)
X Size, F(Full Version), L(Light Version - Standard Font only, saving memory), only one of them
may be installed at one time.
FGB12F.PDB
FGB16F.PDB
FGB24F.PDB 24X24 Simplified Chinese 8178 words, for Sony CLIE 700/710C










Prodigal Son -

anyone ever try out the Treo 600 to see how it compares?










venture160 -

the resolution on the treo 600 is way too low, its cheap though if you can find one second hand.










venture160 -

So last weekend I finally bought the Treo650, and I love it!! I don't yet have pleco installed on
it, but I have the old oxford Chinese dict on it, so its fine for now. I love being able to write
an email, talk on MSN/IM, and make a phone call at the same time, All while on the subway on my
way home.. just awesome.

Final price 3,600 rmb

phone 3,400 rmb (CECT Chinese brand, I got too scared of the 水货， i'll take my warranty card)

exras 1gb card, screen protector, clear plastic case 200rmb












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